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CITY OF DENTON CITY COUNCIL MINUTES
January 5, 1993
The Council convened into the Work Session at 5:15 p.m. in the
Civil Defense Room.
PRESENT: Mayor Castleberry; Mayor Pro Tem Hopkins; Council Members
Brock, Chew, Perry, Smith and Miller.
ABSENT: None
1. The Council convened into the Executive Session to discuss
legal matters (considered action in the condemnation cases of City
of Denton v. John Porter, et ux; City of Denton v. Fryman & Wolski;
and City of Denton v. M. T. Cole Trust), real estate and
personnel/board appointments (considered appointments to the
Citizens Traffic Safety Support Commission and the Historic
Landmark Commission).
2. The Council received a report and held a discussion regarding
amending the sign ordinance and gave staff direction.
Frank Robbins, Executive Director for Planning, stated that he
would go through each issue recommended by the Planning and Zoning
Commission and make a final recommendation on each of those items.
1. Face Changing - the Planning and Zoning Commission recommended
allowing non-conforming signs to be altered so long as they were no
more non-conforming. The temporary use permit/comply by January 1,
1996 provision would be deleted.
Council Member Brock felt that the extreme position would be to
allow any face changing as long as it would not be more non-
conforming. An intermediate position would be to allow a change on
a multiple face sign.
Council Member Miller felt that the entire issue had been looked at
and felt that the recommendation was for any sign to be changed.
Mayor Pro Tem Hopkins stated that she could support the
recommendation.
Council Member Smith asked if there would be a permit required to
change the face of a sign.
Robbin$ replied yes that a permit would be needed to change the
face. The sign could not be any more non-conforming.
Council Member Smith asked if it were still under the 60% rule.
Robbins replied yes.
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Council Member Perry asked if the current standards in the
ordinance would remain with the recommendation.
Robbins replied yes.
Council Member Perry stated that a permit would not be issued if
the sign did not comply with the ordinance chapter.
Robbins replied yes that it would still apply.
Council Member Perry asked if a change in the ordinance would not
eliminate everything in the present ordinance.
Robbins replied correct.
Council Member Miller stated that if the sign were currently non -
conforming, the rules and regulations would be changed. Non-
conforming signs would have to be treated as a conforming sign
relative to face changing and all other rules would apply.
Council Member Brock expressed concern that changing this provision
would invite anyone who wanted to be unpleasant long enough to
continue to attack the sign ordinance. Word had gone out that it
was hard to do business in Denton but that was not true. Would the
Council be giving legitimacy to people who attacked the City by
allowing these changes. She was concerned about the spin-off from
these changes. If she supported this measure, she would not be
willing to take new issues which might arise.
Mayor Castleberry viewed the current position as a hardship on an
existing business or future business and was receptive to the
recommendation.
Council Member Chew stated that he had no problem with the face
changes as long as all signs could be changed. He would have a
problem if the recommendation would apply only for a certain group
of signs. He agreed with Council Member Brock that he would turn
a deaf ear to anyone who wanted to talk regarding the sign
ordinance in the future. The Chamber of Commerce should be working
with the Council to promote Denton and not be perpetuating the idea
that Denton was a hard place to do business.
Council Member Brock stated that she had a concern that in the
public hearing the word "esthetics" had been used in conjunction
with the sign ordinance. This was not an esthetics issue but was
an economic issue. She did not want the position to develop that
in the future, the city would have to say to a potential business
or potential resident that they should not judge Denton by the way
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it looked. This was a serious economic development issue. For the
small business person sign regulation Could be helpful as he did
not have to get into sign competition.
Council Member Miller pointed out that the Council had put the item
on the agenda. There had been no specific request that he knew
about. It had come out of the last political campaign. The issue
involved various people with different points of view and felt that
it had been a bringing together process rather than a disagreeable
process. He felt it was important on the how the Council did
something rather than what.
Consensus of Council was unanimous to direct staff to prepare an
ordinance following the recommendation of the Planning and Zoning
Commission regarding face changing.
#2. Abandoned signs and supporting structures - the Planning and
Zoning recommendation was for a "use or lose" provision whereby
abandoned signs and supporting structures could be used and
grandfathered like other non-conforming signs, if the sign or
supporting structure had a blank face or a bona fide sign within 90
days of passage of the ordinance.
Council Member Perry asked what would have to be done in that 90
day period.
Robbins stated that this provision was only dealing with an
existing structure. The change in the ordinance would indicate
that the sign would have to do have something done to it or it
would have to be taken down. The sign would have to have a blank
face or a message would have to be on it.
Council Member Brock asked if the provisions would apply within 90
days after the sign had became abandoned.
Robbins stated that a sign was not abandoned until it did not
advertise a business for 6 months. Ninety days after that it would
have to be used or lost. Safeguard issues included (1) there must
be a solid, completQ singlQ color ~ov~r, (2) bagging or incomplete
covering would be prohibited, (3) if there were no face, the face
must be one which the structure was designed to carry, (4) a permit
would be required, (5) a dilapidated or deteriorated condition must
be abated, (6) blanking or using would not be allowed if it were
over 60% of the sign's value, (7) no certificate of occupancy would
be issued if there were an illegal sign on premises and (8) if the
supporting structure was without a face, the face effective area
must be conforming.
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Council Member Brock asked if the safeguards would take care of
Council Member Miller's previous concerns.
Council Member Miller replied yes. There had been other language
suggested by the Chamber but he did not know the difference between
the two proposals.
Mayor Castleberry asked if a sign were plastic and the business
moved, would that blank face have to be replaced with plastic.
Robbins replied not entirely. It could be painted if the entire
sign were painted. The Council might want to add to the ordinance
that the sign may painted but that it could not bleed through.
Consensus of Council was unanimous to direct staff to prepare an
ordinance following the Planning and zoning recommendation
regarding abandoned signs and supporting structures.
#3. Effective area calculation - the Planning and Zoning
Commission recommended (1) changing the enclosed area shape from a
parallelogram to any regular shape or combination of shapes, (2)
for signs with attached faces, measuring each face if the angle at
attachment was greater than 45 degrees, and (3) measuring the copy
area only of signs on walls, fences or buildings - the method
currently used.
Consensus of Council was unanimous to direct staff to prepare an
ordinance following the recommendation of the Planning and Zoning
Commission regarding effective area calculation.
~4. Special sign district - the recommendation from the Planning
and Zoning Commission was to decrease the qualifying frontage from
600 feet to 300 feet.
Consensus of Council was unanimous to direct staff to prepare an
ordinance following the recommendation of the Planning and Zoning
Commission regarding special sign district.
#5. Monument signs - the Planning and Zoning Commission
recommended defining monument signs and increasing the effective
area for monument signs on Loop 288 from 150 square feet to 200
square feet and on IH35 from 250 square feet to 300 square feet.
Council Member Perry stated that the provision did not apply to any
other areas other than those mentioned.
Robbins replied correct that it only applied to two roads and only
for monument signs.
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Consensus of Council was unanimous to direct staff to prepare an
ordinance following the recommendation of the Planning and Zoning
Commission regarding monument signs.
#6. Allowance of banners on building walls without a permit or
standards - the Planning and Zoning Commission recommended denial
and recommended adding a 30 day separation period between permits
and required a display of a permit tag on permitted wind devices.
Mayor Pro Tem Hopkins asked for the current regulations.
Robbins replied the current regulation was for 3 permits per year,
30 days per permit which could run consecutively.
Mayor Pro Tem Hopkins stated that the recommendation was more
restrictive.
Robbins replied yes because of the 30 day separation between signs.
Council Member Smith stated that a business could have a sign for
30 days, then be without a sign for 30 days and then have a sign
again for 30 days which would remove the provision for three a
year.
Robbins replied that the provision would remain to only have three
per year.
Council Member Miller asked if currently a permit was required.
Robbins replied yes that it was a $20 fee.
Council Member Miller stated that that would not change.
Robbins replied correct.
City Manager Harrell stated that this had been a provision which
the City had been lax in enforcement. It would be enforced when the
ordinance was passed.
Mayor Castleberry asked if the citY's provisions would be in
conflict with the State regarding lottery banners.
Robbins replied no.
Consensus of Council was, Council Member Miller indicating nay, to
direct staff to prepare an ordinance following the recommendation
of the Planning and Zoning Commission regarding denial of banners
on buildings without a permit or standard.
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Consensus of the Council was, Council Member Miller and Mayor
Castleberry indicating nay, to direct staff to prepare an ordinance
following the recommendation of the Planning and Zoning Commission
regarding a 30 day separation period between permits.
#7. Disallow banners over streets - the Planning and Zoning
Commission recommended denial and to add a $60 fee to cover the
cost of Utilities putting up and taking down these wind devices.
Consensus of the Council was, Mayor Pro Tem Hopkins and Council
Members Smith, Chew and Perry indicating nay, to direct staff to
prepare an ordinance following the recommendation of the Planning
and zoning Commission regarding disallowing banners over streets.
Consensus of the Council was unanimous to direct staff to prepare
an ordinance following the recommendation of the Planning and
zoning Commission to add a fee to put up and take down the banners.
#8. Temporary and stake signS - the Planning and zoning Commission
recommended establishing a new category of regulated signs called
temporary signs and to put stake signs in this category. Any size
stake would be allowed to support the temporary sign. Robbins felt
there might be a problem if any size stake were allowed. The
recommendation was a 4X4 size stake with any message as long as it
met the standards.
Council Member Miller stated that the problem before appeared to be
the size of the support. This was to be a temporary sign and not
a permanent sign.
Robbins replied correct that it might be a legal issue as to the
definition of "temporary".
City Manager Harrell stated that the Council could fall back on
some time period. The Council did not want to create a loop hole
for temporary signs to become permanent.
Council consensus was unanimous to follow the recommendation of the
Planning and Zoning Commission regarding a 4x4 stake size provision
and to direct staff to work on appropriate legal language regarding
the definition of "temporary".
Due to time constraints, this item was continued during the Regular
Session under Miscellaneous Matters from the city Manager.
3. The Council received a report and held a discussion regarding
procedures for City of Denton elections and gave staff direction.
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This item was considered during Miscellaneous Matters from the City
Manager.
The Council convened into the Regular Meeting at 7:00 p.m. in the
Council Chambers.
PRESENT: Mayor Castleberry; Mayor Pro Tem Hopkins; Council Members
Chew, Perry, Smith and Miller.
ABSENT: Council Member Brock
1. Pledge of Allegiance
The Council and members of the audience recited the Pledge of
Allegiance.
2. The Council considered approval of the minutes of the Regular
Meeting of December 8, 1992.
Perry motioned, Chew seconded to approve the minutes as presented.
On roll vote, Miller "aye", Hopkins "aye", Smith "aye", Chew "aye",
Perry "aye", and Mayor Castleberry "aye". Motion carried
unanimously.
3. The Council considered approval of a resolution of
appreciation for Carmen Morales.
Council Member Brock joined the meeting.
The following resolution was considered:
RA93-001
RESOLUTION IN APPRECIATION OF CARMEN MORALES
Brock motioned, Chew seconded to approve the resolution. On roll
vote, Brock "aye", Miller "aye", Hopkins "aye", Smith "aye", Chew
"aye", Perry "aye", and Mayor Castleberry "aye". Motion carried
unanimously.
4. Presentation of Keep America Beautiful National Award.
The award was presented to Council by Dick Engle, Chair - Keep
Denton Beautiful Board. He also presented a Certificate from the
President regarding Keep American Beautiful and Keep Denton
Beautiful.
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5. Public Hearings
A. The Council held a public hearing and considered adoption
of an ordinance rezoning a 1.156 acre tract from the Multifamily -
one (MF-1) District to the Planned Development (PD) District with
a detailed plan on property located between Avenue A and McCormick,
north of Greenlee and 1-35, also known as the Greenhill Garden
Apartments, for the purpose of a sorority residence and meeting
hall. Z-92-022 (The Planning and zoning Commission recommended
approval 5-0.)
Frank Robbins, Executive Director for Planning, stated that the
sorority proposed to use the existing apartment complex and the
ordinance would be changing the use from apartment to sorority
through a planned development. One of the main issues was off
street parking. There was not enough off street parking on site
for the meeting room and the sorority. The sorority had developed
a list of alternatives to get individuals to the meetings. It
could not use off street parking when having meetings. The
proposal exceeded the landscaping standards and intensity had
already been allocated.
The Mayor opened the public hearing.
No one spoke in favor.
No one spoke in opposition.
The Mayor closed the public hearing.
The following ordinance was considered:
No. 93-001
AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF DENTON, TEXAS, CHANGING THE ZONING
DISTRICT CLASSIFICATION FOR 1.156 ACRES OF LAND LOCATED EAST
OF MCCORMICK STREET, WEST OF AVENUE A, AND NORTH OF GREENLEE
STREET (COMMONLY KNOWN AS GREENHILL GARDEN APARTMENTS) FROM
MULTIFAMILY-1 DWELLING DISTRICT (MF-1) TO PLANNED DEVELOPMENT
WITH CONDITION (PD [c]); PROVIDING FOR THE APPROVAL OF A
DETAILED PLAN; PROVIDING FOR A PENALTY IN THE MAXIMUM AMOUNT
OF $2,000.00 FOR VIOLATIONS THEREOF; AND PROVIDING FOR AN
EFFECTIVE DATE.
HoDkins motioned, Perry seconded to adopt the ordinance. On roll
vote, Brock "aye", Miller "aye", Hopkins "aye", Smith "aye", Chew
"aye", Perry "aye", and Mayor Castleberry "aye". Motion carried
unanimously.
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B. The Council held a public hearing and considered a
proposal for a variance to Sections 34-124 (e) and (f) of the
Subdivision and Land Development Regulations, regarding drainage
improvement requirements at Lakewood Addition, Lots 1-19, Block A.
The approximately 22.7 acre development was located on the north
side of Orchid Hill Lane, near its terminus at Pilot Knoll Park, in
Denton's extraterritorial jurisdiction. V-64 (The Planning and
Zoning Commission recommended approval 7-0.)
Frank Robbins, Executive Director for Planning, stated that this
was a variance to two provisions of the drainage provisions of the
subdivision regulations. One dealt with an underground drainage
requirement and the second dealt with the regulations of open
channel drainage. The variance was proposing to use the natural
drainage which was in place. The Planning and Zoning Commission
found that all three criteria had been met for variance requests.
The Mayor opened the public hearing.
Tim Fleet stated that he had some pictures of the area for Council
which indicated the natural draw of the drainage.
The Mayor closed the public hearing.
Council Member Perry asked if the development would impact the flow
of drainage on the Corps property.
Robbins replied no.
Hopkins motioned, Brock seconded to approve the variances. On roll
vote, Brock "aye", Miller "aye", Hopkins "aye", Smith "aye", Chew
"aye", Perry "aye", and Mayor Castleberry "aye". Motion carried
unanimously.
6. Consent Agenda
Council Member Brock stated she had a question about Bid #1433.
She did not understand why there was only one bidder and asked if
the bid was in line with what was anticipated.
Bob Nelson, Executive Director for Utilities, stated that it was
within the anticipated bid.
Denise Harpool, Senior Buyer, stated that there probably was only
one bidder as this was a large ~or~ and ~he kind of equipment
necessary was very costly. They had solicited from six firms who
had the capabilities but some were busy with other jobs and others
were not interested.
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Perry motioned, Smith seconded to approve the Consent Agenda as
presented. On roll vote, Brock "aye", Miller "aye", Hopkins "aye",
Smith "aye", Chew "aye", Perry "aye", and Mayor Castleberry "aye".
Motion carried unanimously.
A. Bids and Purchase Orders:
2.
3.
4.
Bid #1436 - Distribution Transformers
Bid #1433 - Bore Across 1-35 at Exposition Mills
Bid #1440 - Fire Station #4 Driveway
Bid #1447 - North Lake Parks II
7. Ordinances
A. The Council considered adoption of an ordinance acce~ting
competitive bids and awarding a contract for purchase of materials,
equipment, supplies or services. (6.A.1. - Bid #1436)
The following ordinance was considered:
No. 93-002
AN ORDINANCE ACCEPTING COMPETITIVE BIDS AND AWARDING A
CONTRACT FOR THE PURCHASE OF MATERIALS, EQUIPMENT, SUPPLIES OR
SERVICES; PROVIDING FOR THE EXPENDITURE OF FUNDS THEREFORE;
AND PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
Smith motioned, Chew seconded to adopt the ordinance. On roll
vote, Brock "aye", Miller "aye", Hopkins "aye", Smith "aye", Chew
"aye", Perry "aye", and Mayor Castleberry "aye". Motion carried
unanimously.
B. The Council considered adoption of an ordinance accepting
competitive bids and providing for the award of contracts for
public works or improvements. (6.A.2. - Bid #1433, 6.A.3. - Bid
#1440, 6.A.4. - Bid #1447)
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The following ordinance was considered:
No. 93-003
AN ORDINANCE ACCEPTING COMPETITIVE BIDSAND PROVIDING FOR THE
AWARD OF CONTRACTS FOR PUBLIC WORKS OR IMPROVEMENTS; PROVIDING
FOR THE EXPENDITURE OF FUNDS THEREFOR; AND PROVIDING FOR AN
EFFECTIVE DATE.
Hopkins motioned, Chew seconded to adopt the ordinance. On roll
vote, Brock "aye", Miller "aye", Hopkins "aye", Smith "aye", Chew
"aye", Perry "aye", and Mayor Castleberry "aye". Motion carried
unanimously.
C. The Council considered adoption of an ordinance approving
settlement in Smith v. City of Denton.
The following ordinance was considered:
No. 93-004
AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF DENTON, TEXAS, APPROVING AND
AUTHORIZING THE CITY MANAGER TO EXECUTE A RELEASE IN THE
MATTER OF SMITH V. THE CITY OF DENTON, TEXAS; AND DECLARING AN
EFFECTIVE DATE.
Smith motioned, Chew seconded to adopt the ordinance. On roll
vote, Brock "aye", Miller "aye", Hopkins "aye", Smith "aye", Chew
"aye", Perry "aye", and Mayor Castleberry "aye"~ Motion carried
unanimously.
8. Resolutions
A. The Council considered approval of a resolution relating
to the Medical Dispatch Training Program.
Rick Svehla, Deputy City Manager, stated that the 9-1-1 District
had proposed to fund the training for the telecommunicators. Two
of the City's dispatchers had already been trained. The District
indicated that it would support the training costs if the cities in
the District would show support for the program.
Council Member Brock asked if the funding money came from the
State.
Svehla replied that it came from the 9-1-1 District rate structure.
The following resolution was considered:
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No. R93-001
A RESOLUTION RELATING TO THE MEDICAL DISPATCH TRAINING
PROGRAM; AND PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
Chew motioned, Smith seconded to approve the resolution. On roll
vote, Brock "aye", Miller "aye", Hopkins "aye", Smith "aye", Chew
"aye", Perry "aye", and Mayor Castleberry "aye". Motion carried
unanimously.
B. The Council considered approval of a resolution
authorizing the City Manager to execute an easement to GTE
Southwest, Incorporated, for the location of facilities upon city
property.
Rick Svehla, Deputy City Manager, stated that the resolution would
allow GTE to located a cabinet on the northeast corner of Fire
Station #4. Currently there was nothing on that part of the lot on
Kings Row and the Fire Chief had no problem with the location of
the cabinet.
The following resolution was considered:
No. R93-002
A RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING THE CITY MANAGER TO EXECUTE AN
EASEMENT TO GTE SOUTHWEST, INCORPORATED, FOR THE LOCATION OF
FACILITIES UPON CITY PROPERTY; AND PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE
DATE.
Smith motioned, Chew seconded to approve the resolution. On roll
vote, Brock "aye", Miller "aye", Hopkins "aye", Smith "aye", Chew
"aye", Perry "aye", and Mayor Castleberry "aye". Motion carried
unanimously.
C. The Council considered approval of a resolution
authorizing the Mayor to execute an agreement between the City of
Denton and County of Denton for the provision of library services.
City Manager Harrell stated that this was a routine agreement
approved once before by the Council. The Commissioners Court
reformatted the agreement to segregate the dollar numbers although
the total dollar amount was the same. This was an annual contract
with the County.
The following resolution was considered:
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No. R93-003
A RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING THE MAYOR TO EXECUTE AN AGREEMENT
BETWEEN THE CITy OF DENTON AND COUNTY OF DENTON FOR THE
PROVISION OF LIBRARY SERVICES; AND PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE
DATE.
Perry motioned, Smith seconded to approve the resolution. On roll
vote, Brock "aye", Miller "aye", Hopkins "aye", Smith "aye", Chew
"aye", Perry "aye", and Mayor Castleberry "aye". Motion carried
unanimously.
D. The Council considered approval of a resolution
consenting to the exercise of the power of eminent domain by the
Upper Trinity Regional Water District for the regional treated
water transmission line from Denton to Old Alton.
Bob Nelson, Executive Director for Utilities, stated that the City
had a contract with the UTRWD to sell wholesale water. The
delivery point for that water was IH35 and Lillian Miller Parkway.
The District would need to run a 21 inch pipeline from that
location down Lillian Miller, Hwy. 2181 and then to Old Alton. Part
of the original agreement from the Legislature was that the UTRWD
could not condemn any right-of-way without city permission to do
so. This resolution would grant the UTRWD the right of eminent
domain if necessary.
Mayor Pro Tem Hopkins asked if this resolution in no way incurred
liability on the part of the City.
Nelson replied no that it was a similar agreement to one the City
had for a natural gas line easement.
Mayor Pro Tem Hopkins stated that this then would just be an
easement.
Nelson replied yes.
Mayor Pro Tem Hopkins stated that the UTRWD would not be working on
City streets.
Nelson replied that they would be off of the street and would be
securing right-of-way separate from the City's right-of-way.
Mayor Pro Tem Hopkins sta~d ~ha~ th~ UTRWD would have to pay all
of the costs.
Nelson replied yes that the City did not have any liability.
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Mayor Pro Tem Hopkins stated that the City would not be fronting
any money for the District on any condemnation they might have to
deal with.
Nelson replied correct.
Council Member Perry asked if this system would become part of the
City's distribution system in the future.
Nelson replied yes that the City was working on a participation
agreement for a part of that pipeline and the City would have the
right to buy out part of that line from the intersection of IH35 to
just past Ryan Road if it were not needed by the District in the
future.
City Attorney Drayovitch stated that as the City would be owning
and using a part of the line that the city would be paying part of
the condemnation proceedings for the proportionate share of the
line.
Nelson replied correct that the part of the line which the City
would be participating in, whatever was the City's volume share of
that pipeline as compared to the District's volume share, the City
would pay that proportionate share of the pipeline.
The following resolution was considered:
No. R93-004
A RESOLUTION CONSENTING TO THE EXERCISE OF THE POWER OF
EMINENT DOMAIN BY THE UPPER TRINITY REGIONAL WATER DISTRICT
NECESSARY FOR THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE REGIONAL TREATED WATER
TRANSMISSION LINE FROM DENTON TO OLD ALTON, AND PROVIDING AN
EFFECTIVE DATE.
Perry motioned, Chew seconded to approve the resolution. On roll
vote, Brock "aye", Miller "aye", Hopkins "aye", Smith "aye", Chew
"aye", Perry "aye", and Mayor Castleberry "aye". Motion carried
unanimously.
E. The Council considered approval of a resolution declaring
the City of Denton's disapproval of the proposed change in the
Denton/Tarrant County boundary line.
City Manager Harrell stated that this resolution was at request of
the Denton County Commissioners Court. It would formally put the
Council on record for support of the Commissioners' stand to oppose
Tarrant County's proposal to move boundary lines.
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Mayor Pro Tem Hopkins stated that she felt strongly about the
resolution and that the Council should endorse the resolution.
The following resolution was considered:
No. R93-005
A RESOLUTION OF THE CITY COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF DENTON, TEXAS
DECLARING THE CITY OF DENTON'S DISAPPROVAL OF THE PROPOSED
CHANGE IN THE DENTON/TARRANT COUNTY BOUNDARY LINE; AND
PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
Hopkins motioned, Perry seconded to approve the resolution. On
roll vote, Brock "aye", Miller "aye", Hopkins "aye", Smith "aye",
Chew "aye", Perry "aye", and Mayor Castleberry "aye". Motion
carried unanimously.
9. The Council considered an appointment to the Library Board.
Council Member Chew nominated Dorothy Minter to the Library Board.
Mayor Pro Tem Hopkins moved to cease the nominations.
On roll vote, Brock "aye", Miller "aye", Hopkins "aye", Smith
"aye", Chew "aye", Perry "aye", and Mayor Castleberry "aye".
Motion carried unanimously.
10. Miscellaneous matters from the City Manager.
Lloyd Harrell, City Manager, presented the following items:
A. Denton would be the site of new movie, "A Matter of
Honor" which would be filmed at North Lakes and UNT.
B. There would be a presentation by the auditors at the next
regular meeting of the Council. He asked the Council to bring the
annual financial report which had been distributed at a previous
meeting.
C. The next Council meeting would be the mid-year planning
review session which would start at 1:30 p.m. and adjourn at 9:00
p.m.
The Council returned to the Work Session Items.
Work Session Item #2 - The Council received a report and held a
discussion regarding amending the sign ordinance and gave staff
direction.
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Frank Robbins, Executive Director for Planning, continued with
proposed Amendment #9.
#9. Signs on IH35 - the Planning and Zoning Commission recommended
measuring the height of signs along IH35 from the main lanes or the
ground, whichever was higher and also recommended a resolution to
change Texas law to allow logo signs in IH35 right-of-way.
Consensus of the Council was unanimous to direct staff to prepare
an ordinance following the recommendation of the Planning and
Zoning Commission regarding the measurement of signs along IH35 and
the preparation of a resolution to allow logo signs in IH35 right-
of-way.
#10. Flags - the Planning and Zoning Commission recommendation was
to deny allowing more national flags. Currently a state flag and
a U.S. flag were allowed, a~y height and any size. The current
ordinance allowed for a third flag no higher than 30 feet high and
no larger than 50 square feet in effective area. If the ordinance
were made content neutral, there could be any kind of flag for the
third flag.
Consensus of the Council was unanimous to direct staff to prepare
an ordinance following the recommendation of the Planning and
Zoning Commission allowing no more flags.
Consensus of the Council was a majority, Council Member Chew
indicating nay, to direct staff to prepare an ordinance following
the recommendation of the Planning and Zoning Commission regarding
content neutral issue for flags with no change in height or size.
#11. Sign Separation - the Planning and Zoning Commission
recommended allowing a 60 foot separation rather than a 400 foot
separation between signs on one premise where two or more signs
were allowed.
Council Member Brock asked Robbins to review the circumstances
under which a premise could have more than one sign.
Robbins replied that currently on a single street premise, the
premise had to have 500 feet of frontage. If a premise had more
than two streets, it could also have a sign on each one of those
streets. That provision would not be affected by the sign
separation standard.
city Attorney Drayovitch asked how many stake signs were allowed on
a property.
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Robbins stated that it was unlimited.
Mayor Castleberry stated that this provision would reduce the
standard from 400 feet to 60 feet apart.
Robbins replied correct for permanent ground signs.
Mayor Pro Tem Hopkins asked if it were only applying to a 500 foot
front.
Robbins replied that it only applied in a situation where there was
500 feet of frontage which would allow two signs.
Mayor Pro Tem Hopkins asked for the rationale for the 60 foot
provision.
Robbins stated that it spoke to sign clutter on a given premise.
It might limit the number of signs on a given premise.
Consensus of the Council was a majority, Council Member Smith
indicating nay, to direct staff to prepare an ordinance following
the recommendation of the Planning and Zoning Commission regarding
sign separation.
#12. Clarification issues - the Planning and Zoning Commission had
recommended a list of clarification issues which would clarify the
existing standards and procedures.
Consensus of the Council was unanimous to direct staff to prepare
an ordinance following the recommendation of the Planning and
Zoning Commission regarding the clarifications issues.
#13. Recommendation of any other changes - Robbins asked if there
was anything else the Council would like included in the ordinance.
Council Member Perry stated that he would like to clarify the issue
regarding "content neutral". He would like a definition included
in the ordinance.
City Attorney Drayovitch stated that her staff was working on a
definition to be included in the ordinance.
#14. Fees - the Planning and Zoning Commission recommended adding
a fee of $75 for signs over 250 square feet, a $50 fee for special
exception petitions, and a $60 fee for banners put up over the
street.
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Consensus of the Council was unanimous to direct staff to prepare
an ordinance following the recommendation of the Planning and
Zoning Commission regarding fees.
Robbins stated that the complaints would not end regarding the sign
ordinance. He felt that the complaints would be in the area of
banners and the I35 sign issue and it would be difficult to do the
90 day use or lose provision. Council would receive complaints
regarding those provisions. Staff would need support/direction
from Council regarding enforcement. Did the Council want the
ordinance enforced on something other than on a complaint only
basis. Did the Council want staff to be proactive in enforcing the
provision of the ordinance. For example, staff rarely received any
complaints regarding banners. Should staff require the banners to
comply without any kind of citizen complaint.
Council Member Miller stated that currently there was an ordinance
which was not being enforced regarding banners. The proposed change
would be for a 30 day separation for banners. The current
ordinance regarding abandoned signs was not stringent and the
proposed ordinance would be more lenient. The proposed ordinance
should be proactive. When the ordinance was completed, Council
must be fair to staff and follow the provisions of the ordinance.
There should be reasonable but tough enforcement.
Council Member Perry stated that he was also concerned with
citizens as well as staff to make all comply with the provisions of
the ordinance. If the Council passed the proposed ordinance, he
intended to move in the direction of enforcement. Otherwise there
was not any point in having an ordinance.
Council Member Chew stated that he agreed with Council Members
Miller and Perry in that the ordinance should be enforced.
Council Member Smith felt that the only evenhanded fair way would
be to enforce the ordinance across the board and not to wait for a
complaint.
Council Member Brock felt that there might be some complaints in
areas where the proposals were weakening the provisions of the
ordinance. There might be the perception that the new restrictions
would be harsher when in reality the old provisions were harsher.
Mayor Pro Tem Hopkins stated that Council wanted to work with the
City and with businesses and did not want to be unfair. Council
gave a lot of time to the ordinance and did not do it to not have
it enforced. Staff would not have to worry about the Council not
supporting them with enforcement.
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Council considered Work Session Item #3 - The Council received a
report and held a discussion regarding procedures for City of
Denton elections and gave staff direction.
city Manager Harrell stated that a decision needed to be made
regarding the upcoming elections. The next City Council election
would be held Saturday, May 1 and would involve the four single
member districts as well as the at-large school district election.
This would be a combined election as in the past with the City and
the School Board appearing on the same ballot. As staff began
preparing for the upcoming election, the basis of the plan was to
have arrangements with the County Clerk which were similar to prior
elections which involved the City Secretary as the primary
individual responsible for running the election but with
coordination with the County Clerk. The net effect of that allowed
the City to use County voting booths and tabulation equipment for
punch card balloting. The cost to the City previously was a small
materials charge and personnel costs for tabulation. The total
bill was approximately $600. It had been indicated that that price
would go up some this year. On that basis, a discussion was held
with the County Clerk regarding an outline of a preliminary
agreement which would be approved by the City Council and the
Commissioners Court. Two changes contemplated in a working
agreement between the County Clerk and the City Secretary included
a clarification regarding the County Clerk having the
responsibility and control of the tabulating room. This was a City
suggestion as there was some confusion during the last election
regarding who was in charge of the tabulating room. The City
wanted it clearly spelled out in an agreement who would be in
control of the tabulating room with City observers being authorized
and provided for in the working agreement. The second change was
a major desire of the County Clerk in order to provide a effective
election. His strong feeling was that early voting should occur at
the same site as early voting occurred for all other elections
which was at the County building on Oak Street. The County Clerk
would provide the facility at no cost to the City should the
Council agree to the change. His rationale for the change was that
in order to serve the voters best, it would be better to have
consistency for early voting and there had been occasions when
there was a conflict with a voter regarding early voting and that
individual would end up in his office regarding eligibility to
vote. The County Clerk felt that if the location were neutralized,
it might minimize those kind of citizen concerns and questions. A
change in location would make it easier to do City business at City
Hall. Ail of those changes were put into a working document.
However, another wrinkle had turned up in the form of a possible
special election to fill the unexpired term of Senator Bentson.
The speculation was that the election would be held May 1, 1993.
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This additional election complicated the matter. Option one would
be to continue the traditional relationship with the County Clerk
whereby the City would run the election and the County would count
the ballots and would mirror the agreement. Problems associated
with that option included that if the special election were held on
May 1, a major delay would probably occur in releasing the totals
in the city election. The County Clerk would do the County
election first and then tabulate the City results. This would
probably result in very late results. A way around that would be
to have a common ballot which the County Clerk would be willing to
do. A problem with that would be that as the City's election dealt
with single member districts, the County would have different
precincts from City district lines and in some cases voters would
have to go to different polling places which might cause more
confusion for voters. The County Clerk had stated that he could
deal with that problem. Staff felt if the city continued with the
County Clerk, it would be better to count ballots after the County
and leave the voting the current places. Advantages with this
option were that the system was familiar, the cost was reasonable,
it utilized modern voting equipment, and the City would be working
-- with people knowledgeable about elections. The second option would
be to use paper ballots. Some large cities still use paper ballots
but it might be perceived as a step backward. It was a workable
option as ballots could be counted during day so that there would
be no long delay for results. Option three involved the use of an
outside firm to tabulate the punch cards. The firm would bring in
its own tabulating equipment, computers, and operators which were
set up on site. All the necessary pre-tests were done, the results
tabulated and certified. The major disadvantage of this option was
that it was very expensive. Current cost was approximately $600
for the County and this option could cost approximately $7500.
Staff needed a decision from Council. If it decided to work out an
agreement with the County Clerk and was agreeable to the change for
early voting, a submission needed to be made soon to the Justice
Department for preclearance on the change. If the Council wanted
to work out an agreement with a private firm, that needed to be
done as soon as possible as other cities in the area would be
having the same problem which might result in the firms not being
available.
Council Member Smith asked if the city had its own voting machines.
City Manager Harrell stated no that they came from the County
Clerk.
Council Member Smith asked if a private firm would provide that
equipment along with the tabulating equipment.
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City Manager Harrell replied that if the private firm's tabulating
equipment was compatible with the County's voting equipment, the
County Clerk had indicated that the City could use his equipment.
If the tabulating equipment was different, the voting machines
would have to be rented from the firm.
Council Member Smith asked where the School District stood in this
matter.
City Manager Harrell stated that the School District indicated that
they would participate in the cost of a private firm and had a
feeling that they would rather go with the County or hire a private
firm as opposed to using paper ballots. If a private firm were
used, staff would suggest using a paper ballot for a runoff as the
cost would be too prohibitive to use a private firm.
Council Member Brock asked who would be in charge of early voting
if the draft contract were used and who would be determining who
would be eligible to vote.
City Manager Harrell stated that the same procedure as before would
be followed. The City would hire the election judges who would
conduct the early voting. Those judges would be in residence at
the County location but would not be delegated to the County Clerk.
Council Member Chew indicated that he had problems with the date of
the election and wondered if the date of the election could be
changed. He had a problem associating wi~h partisan elections and
that was one of the problems he felt with moving the early voting
from City Hall to the Oak Street location. He felt that the City
could handle its own election. He had had enough partisan
involvement in elections.
City Manager Harrell replied that uniform election dates had been
established and thus the City could not change the date of the
election.
Council Member Smith stated that the point Council Member Chew made
regarding partisan Dolitics was an excellent reason for not having
a common ballot. She felt strongly that there should not be a
common ballot a partisan election.
Mayor Pro Tem Hopkins felt that the Council might be worrying about
something that might not happen. She felt paper ballots would be
the worse option to do. The best option was to contact the
Secretary of State and the Governor's office and indicate that it
was imperative to have a date set regarding the special election.
She did not feel it was good to have early voting at City Hall.
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City Manager Harrell stated that if Council wanted to enter into an
agreement with the County and if the arrangements were all right,
staff would need to preclear that change of early voting. If the
arrangements were not satisfactory, and the Council did not want to
hold early voting at Oak Street, then there might be an obstacle
that the County Clerk would not tabulate the city's results.
Council Member Brock asked for a clarification regarding why the
County Clerk had that problem. If no one from his office would be
there, why would that eliminate problems.
City Manager Harrell stated that the County Clerk felt it would
take away two problems. One was the criticism he heard regarding
the changes in polling places. The second concerned a few
individuals who continually presented problems during the election.
There would be a confrontation regarding eligibility to vote and
those individuals who were not satisfied with the city Secretary's
response would go to the County Clerk with a complaint. The County
Clerk felt that by putting the early voting in a more neutral
location those complaints might lessen.
Council Member Brock felt that a response at Oak Street would not
make a any difference as a response on McKinney.
City Manager Harrell replied that the County Clerk very strongly
felt that this was a very important point to be addressed to help
him determine what involvement he wanted in our election process.
If the Council wanted to hold early voting at City Hall, it might
play out that he would rather not be involved in the City election.
Then the Council would either use paper ballots or contract with a
private firm.
Council Member Perry stated that the idea that the City would be
unable to be autonomous with respect to its own election and to
where its own voters and citizens went to vote and to make
decisions regarding their eligibility, and do those things
necessary to conduct an election was something he felt very
strongly about. He felt that if the city was not able to be
autonomous with respect to the city election, then alternative
three was sensible. He wanted to avoid anything that would look
like the City was not able to conduct its own election. It was one
of the most crucial of all things that the City had responsibility
for. It was one thing to cooperate with equipment and counting
ballots and another thing to take over the election. He felt
strongly that the City should maintain complete autonomy with
respect to the election process. The confusion which might result
with changing places and the impositions placed on citizens would
not be acceptable.
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Council Member Miller did not agree with the idea of the perception
of partisan politics overlapping on early voting. There probably
would be three elections on that Saturday, one for the City, one
for the School District and one for the Senate. It did not make
sense to have citizens going all over the City to vote. One stop
voting would make sense and if that were done, then the city must
have control over the process. The election would not be turned
over to County but the City should be able to coordinate with them.
If, for example, a private firm were used and that firm had
equipment compatible with the County's and then there was a
problem, it could be argued forever what caused the problem. The
pros and cons needed to be weighed regarding the receiving of the
results for the cost involved and any potential additional
controversy. It made sense to have the election at one place and
negotiate with the County to have the elections at one place. One
other possibility dealt with low turnout in elections. If the
voters would go to one place, there might be a positive impact to
increase voter turn out for City elections.
Mayor Castleberry stated that it appeared that the consensus of the
Council was to not go with paper ballots.
Council Member Brock indicated that one problem mentioned was a
room appropriate for a for tabulating room if a commercial
tabulator were used. She suggested that perhaps the DISD would let
the City use their Board Room.
City Manager Harrell indicated that that was not really a problem
and could be done at City Hall. The problem was the contracting
with a firm that the City did not have prior dealings with. If the
County Clerk tabulated the election, there would be a bit more
assurance of quality control.
Council Member Smith asked if the central election place would be
only for early voting or would all voting be in a central place for
May 1.
City Manager Harrell stated that the County Clerk's strong feeling
wa~ for the early voting looation. If the Council f~lt it would b~
better to have a common ballot and receive results earlier in
evening, the County Clerk would be willing to do that which would
in all likelihood increase the confusion of the voters.
Council Member Perry stated that he favored holding early voting in
City Hall and felt that the City ~ould do the election job.
Mayor Pro Tem Hopkins stated that she would yield to the wishes,
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would probably be running for office again. She felt that a
majority of Council wanted the County to count the votes if it
could be worked out with County Clerk without having him run the
other election. If not, she agreed that there might be problems
but would favor a private firm. She felt that the Council wanted
the County to count votes if the County Clerk would do that. If
not, contract with a firm.
Council Member Smith stated that she favored starting with option
three - having the City hold the election, contract with a firm to
tabulate the results and discuss with the DISD to share the
expense. She felt that if a firm were experienced in that field,
there would be no more problems than the city had experienced with
the County. She was in favor of option three.
Mayor Pro Tem Hopkins stated that that would be spending $3150 more
than would have to be spent.
Chew motioned, Smith seconded to consider Option Three. On roll
vote, Brock "nay", Miller "nay", Hopkins "nay", Smith "aye", Chew
"aye", Perry "aye", and Mayor Castleberry "nay". Motion failed
with a 4-3 vote.
city Manager Harrell asked for a clarification. Council would like
staff to go back to the County and ask for their cooperation and
coordination but want to keep early voting at City Hall. The City
would want the County to do the other aspects as in the past.
Council Member Brock felt that giving the County the control of the
tabulation room with some guidelines would be good. There needed
to be clear guidelines who would be in the room and the situation
needed to be clarified.
Council Member Perry felt strongly about the early voting place.
Hopkins motioned, Miller seconded to consider an amended version of
option One to ask the City Manager to advise the County Clerk that
the City would hold early voting at City Hall and would need his
assistance to count the votes and would he continue to do that with
guidelines in the tabulating room. In no way would the City
relinquish control of the election. On roll vote, Brock "aye",
Miller "aye", Hopkins "aye", smith "nay", Chew "aye", Perry "aye",
and Mayor Castleberry "aye". Motion carried with a 6-1 vote.
11. The following official action was taken on Executive Session
Items considered during the Work Session Executive Session:
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Perry motioned, Brock seconded to nominate Carolyn Bacon to the
citizens Traffic Safety Support Commission. On roll vote, Brock
"aye", Miller "aye", Hopkins "aye", Smith "aye", Chew "aye", Perry
"aye", and Mayor Castleberry "aye". Motion carried unanimously.
12. New Business
There were no items of New Business suggested by Council Members
for future meetings.
13. There was no Executive Session held during the Regular
Session.
With no further business the meeting was adjourned 9:15 p.m.
J~NiF~WALTERS~
CH SEORETARY
CITY OF DENTON, TEXAS
BOB CASTLEBERRY, MAY~R~
CITY OF DENTON, TEX~S
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